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A reminder: the Buckeye Five are coming back

Posted on: January 18, 2011 12:14 pm
Edited on: January 18, 2011 2:36 pm
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Posted by Jerry Hinnen

The Columbus Dispatch issued a kind of update this morning on the appeals process with the "Buckeye Five," the five Ohio State players -- including star juniors Terrelle Pryor, DeVier Posey and Daniel "Boom" Herron -- suspended by the NCAA for the first five games of 2011 for receiving improper benefits at a Columbus tattoo parlor (among other offenses). The appeal should begin soon, though based on the precedents set by the NCAA when reviewing similar appeals last season, it seems unlikely any of the five will have their suspensions reduced.

But the simple fact that the appeal is moving forward as planned, even after the deadline for early draft declarations, means it's worth making note of another fact: all five suspended players will return for their senior seasons.

That's not an insignificant deal. Yes, all five players reportedly promised Jim Tressel they'd return before getting the controversial OK to play in the Sugar Bowl, but it's one thing to make that promise. It's another to keep it with hundreds of thousands of dollars available in the draft and a five-game suspension waiting on the other side of the offseason.

Obviously, it's terrific news for the Buckeyes, who with their Pryor-Herron-Posey "triplets" intact should be able to make a run at yet another Big Ten championship down the 2011 stretch. But it's also a huge rebuttal to the many, many critics of the NCAA's (and Tressel's) decision to allow the players to play in the bowl game. Much of that criticism was centered around the assumption that faced with the suspensions, many of the Buckeye Five would simply declare for the draft instead, thereby avoiding punishment altogether.

We know now that's not going to happen. Pryor, Posey and Herron will "do their time," so to speak. The NCAA's form of justice, whatever you think of it, will be served.

There are still valid reasons to criticize the NCAA and Tressel for allowing the Buckeye Five to take the field in New Orleans. But "they won't get punished at all" is no longer one of them, and as frequently as that charge was levied in December, more than a few critics owe the parties involved here a retraction.

HT: DocSat .


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Since: Dec 2, 2011
Posted on: December 22, 2011 5:53 am
 

A reminder: the Buckeye Five are coming back

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Since: Jan 16, 2011
Posted on: January 22, 2011 11:15 pm
 

A reminder: the Buckeye Five are coming back

Ah yes. An LSU Tiger Fan throwing his two cents in. I think that what these kids did was reprehensible and I don't condone it. but please don't think that what Auburn's golden boy QB Daddy did wasn't 10x worse. He got to play and they won. And rag on Pryor all you want. There were at least 5 or 6 SEC schools who wanted this kid. If he would have broke the rules down there, y'all would have said to let him play. Don't be a hypocrite.



Since: Sep 23, 2010
Posted on: January 21, 2011 9:47 pm
 

A reminder: the Buckeye Five are coming back

The last thing that anyone owes the parties involved is a retraction.  The Buckeye Five got to play in the Sugar Bowl and finally give Ohio State a win over an SEC team in a bowl game, a game that they should not have gotten to play in.  The penalties given out for similar incidents have meant immediate suspension, not waiting a game and then start the suspension.  The NCAA, The Ohio State University and Coach Jim Tressel all should be soundly criticized for allowing these players to play in this game.  As the appeals process continues, we may even see a reduction in their penalties, which would only add fuel to the fire.

Now, where the NCAA is concerned, the criticism should be the harshest.  The NCAA gave the university the out they hoped for to be able to allow these players to play in the Sugar Bowl.  However, we must back up and take a look at the incident itself to determine if there should have been any penalty at all!  The property that these players sold in order to obtain these tattoos belonged to who?  Did it belong to the university?  Did it belong to the NCAA?  No, it was thier property, something they should have every right to sell.  What they were selling and the fact that they were willing to sell it tells me that they are stupid, but not criminal and should not have any penalties from the NCAA.

We need to quit discussing the symptoms, but figure out how to cure the cause.  The NCAA needs to be overhauled ASAP.  Whether it is the stupid penalties issued for the Buckeye Five or allowing the SEC schools to agregiously over sign recruits, things need to change.  Student-athletes

in different sports are treated differently and that needs to change as well. 


i absolutely agree!  Players should be allowed to sell their broken shoestring to an alumni for $1000 every week.  That way the rich programs can get all the cheaters and rules mean absolutely nothing.



Since: Sep 23, 2010
Posted on: January 21, 2011 8:39 pm
 

A reminder: the Buckeye Five are coming back

Whether or not it "punished" fans or teammates involved in the Sugar Bowl is irrelevant. 
If you are a "team" then the actions you take affect your "team".  I have never seen a yellow penalty flag waved off because it would be "unfair" to the fans of a particular team.  If there are rules you decide to break that affect teammates and fans, then you have personally decided to be selfish enough that they(your teammates and fans) do not concern you.  You have decided that your needs supercede any needs of your teammates or fans.
I still cannot answer to the selfishness of the 5, nor the reluctance of the ncaa to punish them immediately in the manner they punished AJ Green for an almost exact offense. 
Those individuals, all of their teammates and all of their fans decided that they were above the rules that others(AJ Green) suffered under.  The individuals participated, the teammates participated and the fans participated.  All of them gave their implicit acknowledgement that cheating was ok with them.




Since: Dec 9, 2008
Posted on: January 19, 2011 12:17 pm
 

A reminder: the Buckeye Five are coming back

Rules were broken.  I for one am not buying they were unaware their actions did not constitue NCAA violations.  Although they exhibited "lack of integrity" while breaking the rules along with the continued concealment of their violations, their commitment to remain and serve their suspensions certainly shows the effect of Coach Tressel's and the rest of staff's influence on these young men over time.  It's difficult not to feel good about young men sticking to their word instead of taking the easy way out.  Go Bucks!



Since: Nov 12, 2006
Posted on: January 19, 2011 10:20 am
 

A reminder: the Buckeye Five are coming back

I am so sick of listening to the vast majority of people spouting off about this issue who have totally missed the point.  This includes the on-air commentators when the story broke.  This rule is in place to prevent college players (in any sport) from gaining an undue benefit not available to the rest of the students.  While this is primarily directed towards the "money" sports of football and basketball, all NCAA athletes are under the same rule.  The goods they sold, while theirs, were gained because of their particpation in the sport  and thus if sold gives them an unfair benefit unavailable to other students.  This is the core of the intent of the rule.  More importantly, it prevents boosters, agents, and others from recruiting top talent to a particular school by letting them know that they can guarantee the recruit a buyer every month for a games jersey for $XXX.  Given that most kids could use the money, this would be a no-brainer if they could do it.  Once again, a benefit available only to a player.  Granted this violates other rules as well but the point is made.  Once they graduate, they are no longer subject to the rule and if they want to sell their stuff, more power to them.





Since: Sep 17, 2009
Posted on: January 19, 2011 9:42 am
 

A reminder: the Buckeye Five are coming back

The last thing that anyone owes the parties involved is a retraction.  The Buckeye Five got to play in the Sugar Bowl and finally give Ohio State a win over an SEC team in a bowl game, a game that they should not have gotten to play in.  The penalties given out for similar incidents have meant immediate suspension, not waiting a game and then start the suspension.  The NCAA, The Ohio State University and Coach Jim Tressel all should be soundly criticized for allowing these players to play in this game.  As the appeals process continues, we may even see a reduction in their penalties, which would only add fuel to the fire.

Now, where the NCAA is concerned, the criticism should be the harshest.  The NCAA gave the university the out they hoped for to be able to allow these players to play in the Sugar Bowl.  However, we must back up and take a look at the incident itself to determine if there should have been any penalty at all!  The property that these players sold in order to obtain these tattoos belonged to who?  Did it belong to the university?  Did it belong to the NCAA?  No, it was thier property, something they should have every right to sell.  What they were selling and the fact that they were willing to sell it tells me that they are stupid, but not criminal and should not have any penalties from the NCAA.

We need to quit discussing the symptoms, but figure out how to cure the cause.  The NCAA needs to be overhauled ASAP.  Whether it is the stupid penalties issued for the Buckeye Five or allowing the SEC schools to agregiously over sign recruits, things need to change.  Student-athletes
in different sports are treated differently and that needs to change as well. 



Since: Feb 28, 2008
Posted on: January 19, 2011 9:03 am
 

A reminder: the Buckeye Five are coming back

Whit1966,

Did you really just say "Bucks got class and thats why the Country hates them?"  That is crazy.  First of all the Big 10 is the NCAA's baby, when the story broke even ESPN said that if that would have been Ryan Mallett they would have hung he and Arkansas out to dry.  Second of all, you don't reward someone for doing something against the rules just because they honor an agreement to their own coaches and team.  You cant have class when you done a classless act!

They broke the rules plain and simple. 

Why is everyone so quick to defend a player on the team they cheer for for breaking rules, yet when another team has a guy who breaks the rules you we want to crucify them?


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Since: Jan 8, 2011
Posted on: January 19, 2011 7:57 am
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Since: Jan 8, 2008
Posted on: January 19, 2011 7:26 am
 

A reminder: the Buckeye Five are coming back

I think the NCAA will reduce the games to at least 3 because they decided to come back and serve their punishment.  This makes the NCAA look good as well. Bucks got class that's why the country hate them.  Smile


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