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Report: Big East, TCU have met, discussed move

Posted on: September 30, 2010 10:48 am
Edited on: September 30, 2010 4:08 pm
Posted by Chip Patterson

Two days after our own Dennis Dodd passed along the reports that the Big East was targeting TCU for membership, and a day after athletic director Chris Del Conte issued an ambiguous "no comment" on the issue, it is being reported that the two sides have met and discussed a possible move that would bring the Horned Frogs to the Big East.

Del Conte has been unavailable for comment to the media while away on business in New York and Philadelphia, but the Dallas Morning News is reporting that discussions have already taken place, even within the last month.

TCU has met with Big East officials within the past 30 days to discuss the logistics of a move by TCU in either the 2011 or 2012 seasons, according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

Del Conte, TCU's sports information department said, was in Philadelphia for meetings about Mountain West Conference television contracts with MWC commissioner Craig Thompson.

One source said Villanova, which was invited to join the Big East in football several weeks ago but has yet to decide if it's interested, is potentially a modifying factor regarding TCU joining the conference. It's unclear whether a move by Villanova, which currently plays in the Football Championship Subdivision, to the Football Bowl Subdivision (previously known as Division I) Big East, would enhance or detract from TCU's possible inclusion. Villanova already competes in the Big East in other sports, including the 16-team basketball conference and the 12-team baseball conference.

TCU joined the Mountain West Conference back in 2005, and would be anxious to make another move with the departure of Utah and arrival of Boise State after this season.  The Mountain West was excited to get the Broncos with hope of getting AQ status, but those discussions have faded. Now, the Horned Frogs best option may be to revitalize a conference that many feel are on the verge of losing their AQ status.

The Big East has openly admitted to constantly evaluating options for expansion and new television deals.  Bringing in TCU would open up Big East football to a whole new market, and likely would bring with it a more lucrative television deal.  

Aside from the obvious geographical concerns, there are also identity issues that could be caused by adding a Texas school to the Big East.  Though after adding DePaul and Marquette to the conference for basketball, it is clear the Big East has no problems reaching out to the Midwest.  Several alternative conference names have been suggested, and we here at the College Football Blog are open to more.  Drop your new conference name suggestions in the comments below, or tweet them to us @CBSSportsNCAAF.

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Since: Aug 12, 2006
Posted on: October 1, 2010 3:34 pm

Report: Big East, TCU have met, discussed move

Sorry but, some of your theory is flawed

So is your's.  I'm not one who believes the Big East is so weak but you need to get off the ACC and Pac 10 bowl comparisons until the Big East starts to play bowl games against teams that finished as high in their respective conferences.  If you want to rely on bowl result, let's point out who plays who in these matchups.  You'll find the Big East is always paired against a team that finished lower in their conference or a team from a weaker conference.  

BE#2 plays ACC#3
BE#3 plays ACC#5
BE#4 plays B12#7

Let's switch that to:

BE#3 vs ACC#2
BE#5 vs ACC#3
BE#7 vs B12#4 

A good shot at 3-0 would almost certainly become 0-3.  The only way a Big East team plays a team from an AQ conference that finished as high in their conference is when their champ plays in a bowl against another conference's champ.  I'm tired of reading how well you've done in bowl games when you've been set up to win them.   

Since: Nov 24, 2006
Posted on: October 1, 2010 1:19 pm

Report: Big East, TCU have met, discussed move

Diffy, you always pop up with nothing substantive only something negative about Boise State. We get it that you don't like Boise State.  And we get tired of you posting too.

Since: Nov 28, 2009
Posted on: October 1, 2010 12:22 pm

Report: Big East, TCU have met, discussed move

Just to clarify that the Boise State Broncos are JOINING THE MWC, not leaving.

"departure of Utah and arrival of Boise State after this season."

I think if TCU and Boise State stayed in the same conference we could have another BCS game like we had last year, but instead of a blue moon we can have it every year or atleast more than if they both went undefeated.

Since: Oct 5, 2006
Posted on: October 1, 2010 6:51 am

Report: Big East, TCU have met, discussed move

diff, is the only reason you are here to deride the BE?  The BE is ABOVE the ACC in the BSC rating. They are NOT losing their auto qualifying status.  The BE is doing fine financially, thank you.

Since: May 14, 2008
Posted on: October 1, 2010 2:03 am

Report: Big East, TCU have met, discussed move

You must have started watching CFB last year.

In 2011 the MWC only has a decent TCU and Boise which both have done very little on the field of competitive CFB. Utah gets "rank" after barely beating the pitthetic Panthers. Boise and TCU have yet to beat a ranked team. Sure, they both beat "rank" teams. "Rank" as in smelly, stinky!!

The Big East thoroughly lacks leadership and vision. Always has, always will. The only team they ever had since the Great ACC Raid that amounted to much was WVU, which got screwed by Rodriquez from going undefeated and playing for the BCS MNC. But, now we all get to see what would have happened if Rodriquez had not thrown that game when aOSU knocks the snot out of Tricky Dicky's new team with the ugly striped helmets.

THE ONLY wayTCU adds anything to the Big East or makes anything better for themselves is if the BE maroons expand to a 12 -team Football Conference (possible) with also adding Houston, Memphis, ECU, and somebody else. Villanova will have to spend at least 50 to 100 million to have anything close to a FBS team/stadium/program. Their on-campus stadium is impossible to expand. They won the FCS Division last year and still ONLY averaged 7111 in home attendance!!!!! WTF?!?!?!? Their stadium ony holds 12,500 max. And that is standing on other peoples shoulders!! LOL  (I've been there years ago and if all you hype-monger posters saw it for yourselves you'd be saying "WTF , you have got to be kidding!!!!!!!" )

Being that TCU was once a C-USA member, and so was Cincy, USF, L-Ville, why not just call it C-USA - East? Then there can aslo be a C-USA  - West and the two "conference/division" champs can play and the winner go to a BCS Bowl. Rumor was that C-USA and the WAC/MWC were trying to set something up like this anyway. THAT would make a hell of a lot of sense. 8 to 12 teams per division and a "mini-playoff". See how it works out with these guys first.

Since: Sep 30, 2008
Posted on: October 1, 2010 1:15 am

Report: Big East, TCU have met, discussed move

But I do like the comment one person posted earlier that said TCU should consider the BIG 12 instead of the Big East. I think they would be ok in the MWC, but if they want a stronger conference, the Big 12 would make better sense than the Big East geographically. The Big 12 should consider it.

Since: Sep 30, 2008
Posted on: October 1, 2010 1:10 am

Report: Big East, TCU have met, discussed move

Why would TCU want to leave the Mountain West with Boise and Nevada coming in soon? Big East football is not very compelling except for the Pitt-West Virginia rivalry. Also, it is clear that the MWC has probably surpassed the Big East in quality of play and is just as deserving, if not more so, of a BCS automatic bid (since the FBS refuses a true playoff which would help clear up some of this mess).

Since: Aug 21, 2006
Posted on: October 1, 2010 12:20 am

Report: Big East, TCU have met, discussed move

Sure - TCU should move.  Why not?   In 4 more years they will be moving to the depleted Big 12 when Texas has lost leverage with Football on a downward cycle, basketball still struggling, etc.    Texas, Tech, OU, and OSU will move to the Pac10 to make it a 16 team conference.   TAMU will go to the SEC witheither Clemson, Miami, Florida State, USF, or UCF making the other half.    The Big 12 will have to reconstitute itself with the remainder of Tulsa, Houston, Memphis, TCU, may Southern Miss, Louisville, Northern Illinois, etc. to balance it's conference and would probably lose it's AQ status - but at least Missouri would finally have a decent shot of winning of the Big 12 finally.

Since: Dec 10, 2007
Posted on: September 30, 2010 11:44 pm

Report: Big East, TCU have met, discussed move

Can we get off the whole "Big EAST" meme?  Seriously, nowadays a conference name is more about brand recognition than anything else.  That's why the Big Ten will always be the Big Ten, even if they expand to 16 teams.  As far as geography is concerned, TCU is about as good of a fit in the Big East as they are with the Mountain West.  Check your maps...Dallas isn't really anywhere close to any MWC teams.  Travel expenses would be about the same, and they would be bringing in more $$$ with their new BCS status.

The Big East should go ahead and add Houston, UCF, and either Southern Miss/Memphis/East Carolina. 

Big East North
West Virginia

Big East South
Southern Miss/Memphis/East Carolina

Since: Sep 30, 2010
Posted on: September 30, 2010 9:00 pm

Report: Big East, TCU have met, discussed move

The Big East does not need to be saved for all of you football rookies enamored in the BCS monopoly.  The Big East is alive and is a threat to expand.  The leadership in the Big East is better than most other conference out there and the TV markets are much larger than most. 

TCU joining the Big East is not that big of a deal as far as travel is concerned for all of you Geography class 
dropouts.  Not much difference in traveling to former CUSA conference partners Louisville, Cincy, and South Forida as opposed to the Rocky Mountains and beyond ( Idaho for Christ sake) from the greater Dallas/Ft. Worth area.  TCU would fit right in with its old partners from the LT days and bring another strong program to the conference.

I have also heard the cracks on adding Villanova to the conference as well which I think is a great idea for the stability of the Big East in retaining its long history in other sports.  I used to live in the Philly area and the fans there have a unique relationship with the Wildcats so they will eventually show up in support of their beloved Wildcats if they are in a relevant conference such as the Big East. There are plenty of facility upgrades in the area as they grow.  

 The success model of South Florida and UCONN to the D-1 ranks in this decade will serve as a template for how to grow teams like Villanova and Georgetown (yes, I said it-Georgetown) in the near future.  I think the executives in the Big east know the strengths and weaknesses of the conference and will build on metro markets such as DC, Philly , New York, Louisville, Cincy, Pitt, and possibly Dallas.  Throw in WVU and UCONN and you have the makings of a very profitable endeavor. 

Not to mention the Big East is winning the majority of its bowl games such as WVU over Georgia and Oklahoma, UCONN over South Carolina, Louisville over Wake in the Orange Bowl off the top of my head.  Of course, Cincy got waxed by Florida but my guess would be that Florida would have thumped anyone that year with Tebow.   I also do not think Miami, VT or BC did any major dominating in the Big East in the recent years before they left for the ACC.  You could also argue that the conference got stronger by adding Louisville, SF, and Cincy instead of those three teams. 

So yes, If TCU is smart they will jump on the Big East deal quickly to expose itself in markets more relevant than Boise, New Mexico, Utah, Wyoming?  I'm not hating on those states/cities as they are some of my favorite places to visit and they have some good football teams but this is about business and TCU is all but gone from there toshow the big cities the its toad.

I won't even get into basketball because you know the deal.

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